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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2025, 03:26:23 PM »
The British Establishment at/@ that time [2003] included:
+ 'senior' (sic) cabinet ministers;
+ 'senior' (sic) mp's, of most parties;
+ 'senior' (sic) military commanders;
+ 'senior' (sic) diplomats;
+ 'senior' (sic) mainstream journalists - such as tax/licence funded BBC 'senior' (sic) political correspondents & editors (who should have had a 'duty' to inform the public properly as to the 'legal status' of wars the country gets involved in, but which in this case they demonstrably did not);
+ 'senior' ... (to say nothing of 'junior' etc. etc ... all of whom remained shamefully silent ...)
 

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2025, 03:29:56 PM »
The British Establishment at/@ that time [2003] included:
+ 'senior' (sic) cabinet ministers;
+ 'senior' (sic) mp's, of most parties;
+ 'senior' (sic) military commanders;
+ 'senior' (sic) diplomats;
+ 'senior' (sic) mainstream journalists - such as tax/licence funded BBC 'senior' (sic) political correspondents & editors (who should have had a 'duty' to inform the public properly as to the 'legal status' of wars the country gets involved in, but which in this case they demonstrably did not);
+ 'senior' ... (to say nothing of 'junior' etc. etc ... most of whom remained shamefully silent ...)
 

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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2025, 03:46:39 PM »
It is a 'war crime' to 'obey [war-mongering] orders' you know to be 'illegal' ...

It is a 'war crime' to fail to do everything in your power{s} to prevent illegal wars from happening. [In the case of a 'senior' (sic) mainstream journalist such 'power{s}' are 'quite considerable' - consider the case of ms.alison.little o'th'express, eg: "... the feb.15 march is all very well, phil ... but they are going to do it anyway ..."]

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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2025, 03:55:52 PM »
Consider also Dame Eliza[o'mi5.?mi6.?what difference do the numbers make/matter?]'s evidence to the 'Official/Establishment' British [ukofgb&ni] Iraq War I/Enquiry ...

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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2025, 10:41:21 AM »
The 'terrorist' attacks on parts of USA/America on 11th September 2001 were used as an 'excuse'/'legitimization'(sic.) to launch the 'war on terror' - during which the U.S., U.K., and 'allies', have themselves used 'weapons of mass destruction' against large numbers of fellow human beings.

Hundred of thousands of people have died, been physically or psychologically maimed, or otherwise 'terrorized' by these state powers in the name of this 'war on terror'.

At, more or less, the 'same time', the very non-state 'terror' forces these state powers claim to oppose have had their ['claimed'] 'legitimacy' enhanced by the escalation of ['claimed'] 'grievances'.

Meanwhile, in the name of 'war on terror', the USA, U.K., and 'allies' - including other NATO 'powers' - have 'intervened' in [essentially] 'civil wars' in Libya, Syria, and other places, in such ways that the 'war on terror'/ 'war of conquest' now seems to have spread to Africa ... and beyond ...

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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2025, 10:49:48 AM »
Stop the War  aims not merely to oppose 'war crimes'/'crimes against peace', but also to promote/'foster' a more 'positive' Human Agenda ...

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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2025, 11:05:30 AM »
Stop the War is a movement 'of the people', not[e]ably without 'charismatic' leaders.

It is a 'movement' motivated by The ['platonic'?] Idea[l?] that: 'Another World is Possible!' - & that this 'Idea[l?]' can be achieved by 'pro-peace/anti-war' act[io]ns on a local, 'diy', human scale [with 'global perspectives' in 'MIND']

We act locally, but think globally.

 

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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2025, 11:07:48 AM »
{crossings out by 'bad faith actors' does not change 'the truth'}

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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2025, 11:33:32 AM »
Specifically, Stop the War would like to bring about an anti-war government in the U.K.[gb&ni.ok?], our 'own' nation - the 'only one' we have a direct 'stake' in the 'sovereignty' of ...

Such a 'government' would:
+ stand [UP] for the peaceful resolutions of international conflicts;
+ bring all its troops home from foreign soil;
+ withdraw from NATO - an anachronistic organisation, which has no place in the 'better' 21st Century [the 'ColdWar is over/'dead&buried', with the so-called 'threats' from Russia, China, Iran, DPRK, etc, being [largely] over-stated 'paranoid fantasies' ...] ... 

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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2025, 11:36:28 AM »
[... 'X.crossing. :-\ :-\z out do not 'negate' truths ...]

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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2025, 01:35:54 PM »
ps.1 ... how 'they' consciously/deliberately use senses of 'futility'/'power-less-ness in their 'propaganda/mental.torture' routines ...

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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2025, 01:54:23 PM »
['& ... what difference does 'it' make?' ... The Smiths, etc ...]
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Inmates of G.Bay, and other places, were blasted with Brit.knee.Spears, Metal.i.ka. and other elements of 'trashy 'western' culture sounds ... during a 'softening up' process ...
in a 'cynical' attempt to make them seem 'futile' & 'power-less' ... ie, 'dominated' by 'trashy' u.s. ' culture' ...

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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2025, 11:36:55 AM »
Chomsky [etc. e.g. Marcuse, 'One Dimensional Man' ...] ... on how so much of 'western' culture is 'about' making people feel 'powerless' & 'futile' ...

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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2025, 11:50:40 AM »
Consider, how the Stop the War march[es] of February 15th, 2003. have been turned by mainstream media into 'exemplar' of the 'futility' of 'mass political action' ...


A million-plus people marched against the [then] impending invasion of Iraq in 2003 ... but ... what 'difference' did it make? it make[d] 'none' ... 'they' went ahead with the war plans anyway ...

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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2025, 11:56:43 AM »
... again .. X'ing out, by a.i.'. or what[so]ever does not 'negate "truths"' ...  >:(